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  It would be a lovely letter

  by Defianttruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  letter from the governing body.. .

  dear brothers due to our failed attempts of interrupting scripture and completely false, multiple prophecies, we as the governing body are going to implement a few new changes to god's earthly organization.. .

  we are not god's earthly organization.

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  Just imagine the joy, of liberating 7 million souls with just one letter.
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  this world is a reflection of you

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was recently on holiday aka "vacation" on a beautiful island, and turned a corner on a cliff top to see a wall with graffitti on it (ironically), "this world is a reflection of you - take care what you do with it.

  " or words to that effect.

  so i got thinking it's about dropping litter and stuff.

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  Ballistic

  Everyone who is emotionally/spiritually well and educated, can't help but appreciate and value our total dependence, on the beautiful planet we share with so many other amazing forms of life.

  I've alway been amazed how cultures and the people individually, long for the unique beauty of their native regions. on rocks by the oceans, vast flat prairies, mountainous, endless desert, even the polar ice expanses, all such places are the hearts desire of those that lived and were nurtured there. I feel reassured and content wherever in the world I see crops and livestock and trees because, I was raised on a farm and understand fully how all of mankind benefits from that particular enterprise.

  We don't need any megalomanic dieties threatening to destroy it, or insane militarists to poison and 'scorch the earth' , nor the insatiably greedy pricks so eager to cut down, level, dig up, pollute and 'transform to profit' every earthly resource possible in their short lifetimes.

  I feel that education, cooperation and appreciation are the keys to the only future we can envision.
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  The term: To disfellowship in spanish congregations...

  by suavojr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the english congregations they used to announce that brother x has been disfellowshipped.

  but in the spanish congregations the announcement was made using the word expulsado (spanish)= expel in english.

  when i look up the word disfellowship, this is what i found:.

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  suavojr-

  Do you know the Spanish word for communion - to which jgnat made a connection?
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  Planning exit, alternative venues to preach?

  by Goodstein in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  background:.

  i've come to the conclusion that many doctrines of the wts are unscriptural after many years of privately disagreeing with some of them but feeling that the society was "mostly right" and still being used by jehovah.

  this turning point has happened in the last year or so.

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  Welcome Goodstein -

  You write with great clarity and conviction. Please post often as your situation is interesting.

  You are among friends here.
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  Guns, Politics, and Liberty

  by Infowarrior in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was raised as a witness in canada all my life.

  the majority of my time attending watchtower meetings i was essentially never exposed to how spiritual beliefs relate to political belifes, even in terms with jw watchtower doctrine.

  i grew up understanding that some witnesses had diffrent ideas on things, but was made to feel that the watchtower established many key beliefs that are required for witnesses in good standing.

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  Infowarrior -

  Guns, Politcs and Liberties - you bite off some huge issues my friend!
  Bless you for being concerned with liberties.

  Mankind thrives with broad freedoms to love, learn, prosper, travel, and associate freely. These pursuits are the primary goals of humans, and no doubt the reason you have researched so much in relation to them.

  Our freedoms are bound tightly along their sides by laws and politics. The fringes at the ends of our freedoms are constructs of religious thought and societal constraints. In some cultures, it's the religious and societal influence that exerts the stronger force, and the political/legal framework for individuals freedom is not so properly in effect.
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  Law School/Medical School Reading Book on Genetics and Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Justitia Themis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the book is recommended reading in my bioethics law class.

  this is a law/medicine class that combines students from the school of medicine, the school of public health, and the school of law, so a broad cross-section of people will base their opinions of jws on this book.

  my fellow students include a working neonatologist, a japanese health department employee, a chinese gentleman who works for some chinese gov't agency, a north african lawyer, an australian international health care worker, an undergrad ethics professor from a different, but local, university, and a social worker who is a fellow at a local pediatric bioethics foundation.

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  Band - good for your Mom.

  When we were new witnesses - circa 1970, my wife had just graduated as a Registered Nurse. Her medical text books were still everywhere in the house and she would tell me about the proceedures and medical decisions made at our wonderful, local hospital where she worked - all very scientificaly impressive proceedures by serious professionals.

  One of the elders at that sametime, was a Rutherford era relic, who bad-mouthed doctors at every possible occasion. This man became ill with escalating pain and his trusted Quackopath diagnosed a HUGE tapeworm, and treated him with the acceptable homeopathic 'cures'. His condition, and pain increased to where he could only function in a semi-standing position in a lazy-boy. All this at his home, as he had no use for hospitals and medical doctors. (both of which were free in our province).

  He died a very unpleasant death -of untreated cancer , such ignorance, sad.
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  Guns, Politics, and Liberty

  by Infowarrior in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was raised as a witness in canada all my life.

  the majority of my time attending watchtower meetings i was essentially never exposed to how spiritual beliefs relate to political belifes, even in terms with jw watchtower doctrine.

  i grew up understanding that some witnesses had diffrent ideas on things, but was made to feel that the watchtower established many key beliefs that are required for witnesses in good standing.

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  Infowarrior-

  I made a fresh pot of coffee just so I could enjoy your post - thank you for sharing it, with the thoughtful people on this forum!

  I too am a Canuck and was a JW for many years (early70's till mid 90's). I wasn't raised as a witness, so I didn't when young, and still don't suffer from the watchtowers narrow, myopic and intentional, misportrayal of the beautiful peoples of the world as 'Satanic'.

  The term 'worldly' in the early days of global navigation, described those who were lucky (and hardy) enough to travel widely. What the worldy journalists and intellectuals saw and recorded by writing and illustrations, is the amazing study we now call history - it was astonishing news back then!

  To be worldly was to have learned, to have experienced, to have seen with ones own faculties, the amazing diversity of races, beliefs, cultures and environments in which mankind was able to survive and thrive. To be worldy is to be curious, adventuresome, and in constant wonderment at the realityof the universe as it still reveals to us.

  You sound like a worldly guy - researching and wondering. Good for you my friend - keep up the good work!
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  Would Elders You Knew Have Ordered Stonings If They Could Have?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you who used to be jws, or who are active, if the society was in charge of the earth, how many people do you think you would have seen stoned during your lifetimes?

  i realize some elders can be zealous about their work, but if they'd actually had administrative authority to have kh members stoned to death, how many elders did you know who would have been zealous enough to really order them?.

  did you know any elders who would have ordered stonings, even if the condemned people had been willing to repent?.

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  In one of his (religiously themed) novels, John Updike wrote that

  in the entire written, Jewish, secular history, there is not one cited

  example of a girl or woman being stoned for adultery. Anyone know if this is factual or artistic license?
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  Just joined

  by Gojira_101 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is my first time posting on here.

  i've been inactive for 3 months now and my husband and i are going the fading way.

  i was born and raised in this religion and now after almost 30 years, they have taken most everything from me.

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  Gojira -

  Good to see you're fading together. Help is to be found here. Welcome
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  Would a downtown NY public protest against shunning help or harm the Watchtower Corp?

  by tootired2care in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was having an interesting thought the other night -- albeit probably not original, but interesting.

  what would be accomplished if thousands of us banded together and held a huge protest of the issue of shunning family right behind the governing body's headquarters (25 columbia heights) in brooklyn bridge park?

  the shunning of non-believing family is a strong issue that i'm sure everyone of us could get behind 100%.

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  too tired -

  Sounds like a great opportunity to finally see The Big Apple - and help give a great anti-witness before they flee the city.

  About 600 miles for me too - I'd go in a heartbeat.

  With serious pre-planning, concrete messages, ( regarding their interference with families and personal freedoms) ,

  and significant participation, we can certainly have an impact- and a really fun time - it's NYC after all